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For several years, I have been watching an old Indiana, truck. I believe this truck to be a military vehicle at one time, probably in the 1930s. It has a sheepherder’s shack built on the back of it. The truck is four-wheel drive.
This last January we took a little drive up to Denio, Nevada to see if the old Indiana was still there. It was. Attatched are a few pictures of this truck. Denio, is up on the Nevada – Oregon border, about 120 miles north of Winnamucka, Nevada.
I can tell you that Indiana Truck Co. was based in Marion, Indiana. I do know that it provided military vehicles during WWII. The company was bought out by Brockway before WWII, I believe.
I have no idea who owns the old Indiana, or anything about it other that It has been sitting in a little junk yard in Denio for at least the last ten years. I have no objections to publication of my name or phone number.
350 Turk # 710
San Francisco, CA. 94102
FORD F-250 IN MILITARY SERVICE
I have recently acquired most of a 1966 Ford F-250 Truck, Stake and Platform 4×2 as described by a US Property data plate with a Federal stock number 2320-926-3694. It is mostly complete less the engine and transmission. It has strap brackets for large rectangular fuel tanks on both sides behind the cab under the flat bed but no tanks. It also has two of the original equipment 19.5 inch wheels. There is dark green paint inside the cab and doors and under the repainted exterior.
The only information that I have been able to find is a single photo on page 124 of US Military Wheeled Vehicles by Fred Crismon. Any information on the original configuration of the vehicle (did it come with fuel tanks in addition to the stock cab mounted tank or were those straps added later, etc.) as well as any other sources of information or photos would be greatly appreciated.
1525 West Lewis Street
San Diego, CA 92103-1220
NO MORE FLAT SPOTS
Talk about timing! I just purchased a 1944 Willys MB — the proverbial “Jeep in the barn.” Although it’s been civilianized, it has the original drive train and a GPW engine. It had not run for about 7 years.
The article on the Carter Carb for Jeeps (“Jeep Flat Spots,” February 2008) came at a perfect time. After reading that I can go out and check that carb on my Jeep as it has a flat spot and backfires on acceleration. Now I know what to check.
I plan to drive it in its current Forrest Service Green paint, until next year. After that, I hope to start a frame up restoration. It looks like there is lots of help and info on Jeep restoration.
Also, I picked up an old Adams Lean Wheel pull-type road grader a couple of years ago. I was pressure washing it this year and, low and behold, I started finding OD green paint. This unit came from Douglas County in Oregon so it must have been surplus. It would be neat to see an article
on military construction equipment. I was in the Engineers in the 1970s in A Co. 12th Engr BN and spent a lot of time on the Case wheel loader and the D-7 cat, as well as the miles I put the M-817 5-ton dump truck.
REPLACEMENT PUMPS FOR MULTIFUELS?
We operate surplus 6×6 multifuel-engined equipment on a commerical basis. We have to park some trucks because we cannot find parts new, or the entire Bosch injector diesel pump. I estimate there being 150,000 trucks, etc., powered by multfuel engines. Is there another source of replacement fuel pumps?
Wellsville New York
I have what I believe to be a 1943 Willys MB. The title says it’s a 1946, but I don’t think it is right because they didn’t make the MB in 1946. It doesn’t have the data plates on it.
I do have the hood number 20697481S and a body number 216440. Could you tell me what I could find out about the history of this Jeep by the numbers above? I have owned this Jeep for about 38 years and it has a good condition engine and power train, but the body is very rusty.
Mr. Patyski: It sounds like you need to start at the beginning in the exploration of your Jeep. I would suggest picking up a copy of Ren Bernier’s excellent book WWII Jeep Guidebook: Buying, Owning and Enjoying Your WWII Jeep (available from Just Write Books, 47 Main Street #3, Topsham, ME 04086; 207.729.3600; Web site: www.jstwrite.com. Cost is $24.95 plus shipping). It will be a very helpful first step to learning about your vehicle.
Another good place to find like-minded MB guys is on the Internet forum hosted at www.G503.com. I am sure you will be able to find answers to many of your questions by posting at this very helpful site.
Briefly, from the numbers you listed, I can tell you that the body number does not match either the data plate, frame number or engine number. The body numbers started at about 2,000 in the fall of 1941. They restarted at No. 1 in early January 1944.
The “hood,” or registration number, was assigned at the factory after the vehicle passed inspection. The “S” at the end of the number signifies that the Jeep passed a radio noise suppression test.
First of all, hats off to a fine publication. I am writting you in hopes that you can help me determine if I have a significate piece of military history, or just another GPW. I recently obtained a 1943 GPW that was in a barn for over 50 years.
While in the restoration process, I begain to sandblast the old paint and minor rust off. As the paint layers were removed some painted on words begain to appear over the driver’s side rear wheel well: “GREEN HORNET”.
I was interested in what that could have meant, so I turned to the Internet and was very surprised to find that George S. Patton was nicknamed “the Green Hornet” before he was nicknamed “Old Blood and Guts”.
Also, the book A Genius for War, by Carlo D’este, proclaims that Patton was [given] this nickname because of his attempt to design a new military uniform for his tank brigade. In July 1941, Patton was shown on the cover in his “Green Hornet” uniform.
The painted words are still present as I have stopped the restoration process until I find out what I realy have.The jeep is in very restorable condition and if Patton did have anything to do with this vehicle, I would think it should be placed in a museum. Any input you may have would be greatly apreciated. Maybe if you were to print this letter, some of your readers may have information on a Jeep named “GREEN HORNET.”
Ballston Lake, NY
Thank you for your note and the kind words regarding Military Vehicles. I will run your letter, however, I think you are probably pretty safe proceeding with your restoration. A quick survey of photos of vehicles that Patton used shows that he was not prone to putting his college nickname on any of the vehicles. I am not a Patton scholar by any measure, but it does seem incongruous with his personality.
The Green Hornet was a popular comic book figure in the 1940s. It isn’t hard to imagine a GI who was assigned an olive drab jeep to drive considered himself do drive “like the Green Hornet.” I would wager there were more than a few OD vehicles that bore this moniker! Sounds like you have a fun restoration ahead of you. Good luck — JAG
FOND MEMORIES OF M211s
I really enjoyed Steve Turchet’s article on the “Deuces” in the June 2007 issue (“M211: The Cadillac of Deuces”). I spent a lot of time driving them during my New Jersey National Guard tour from 1963-1999.
I really loved driving them—automatic or not. I could drive stick and did so from time to time. We had both the six- and ten-wheel versions (M135 and M211). I liked the ten-wheelers the best. We pulled trailers with rifle racks, water trailers and even hauled men in the back. I ws the driver of one of the trucks that guarded New Jersey’s governor during the 1967 riots in Newark.
Great article — it brings back many memories!
My name is Kaleb Dissinger, and I’m from the US Army Heritage Museum in Carlisle, PA. I was given a copy of the Dual-Tex article written by Chris Causley (April 2008)to take a look at this morning, and noticed the all-call for images of vehicles with the camouflage.
I had written an article last year for the US Army’s Web site, which focused primarily on the new camouflage pattern uniform worn by the Army’s personnel. The roots of the Army Combat Uniform’s digital pattern certainly come from the dual-tex pattern. As a result, I was on the hunt for images of vehicles with the camo.
While I don’t have any high-res images for immediate use for you, I can point you in some better directions from sources I was able to get a hold of. The one vehicle image I used for the article came from the US Army Patton Museum of Cavalry and Armor.
If you or Chris haven’t already, take a look at the article entitled “Camouflaging Tanks: A Lost Art?” by Captain Mark J. Reardon. It was published in the March-April 1989 volume of Armor Magazine. There aresome good photos of an M60 and an M113 in it.
US Army Heritage Museum
Mr. Dissinger’s article can be found at: www.army.mil/-news/2007/06/10/3144. If anyone has any photos from the 1980s of vehicles painted in the Dual-Texture pattern, we would love to see them! Email high-resolution photos (minimum 900 pixels x 1500 pixels) to firstname.lastname@example.org or sent to: Military Vehicles, John Adams-Graf, editor, 700 East State St., Iola, WI 54990-0001
Dear Mr. Adams-Graf,
I have to tell you about an amazing event that took place this past February. I thought you might like to share it with your readers.
My husband and I moved to Pennsylvania about two weeks after the St. Valentine’s Day snow and ice storm. When the moving van driver tried to back his rig into our driveway, he got stuck. The tractor and trailer were almost at a right angle, so when they tried to release the trailer, the fifth wheel would not release!
After an hour of digging, sanding, salting and trying to rock the tractor/trailer free, I quietly told the driver that we had a truck that could pull him out. He looked at our 1990 Chevy pickup and asked if that was the truck. I told him, “No,” and then told my husband, “Larry, go get the M37!”
Our 1954 M37 was under a tarp and snowed in behind the house. Nevertheless, Larry climbed into it and turned over the engine. He put it in four-wheel-drive, drove over the snow and ice, and through the woods out to the road. He hooked the M37 to the fully loaded tractor/ trailer and easily pulled it free!
I thought you might like to see photos of the event. Needless to say, I was so proud of Larry and his M37.
Jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania
WELCOME TO THE HOBBY!
Dear Military Vehicles,
While walking around my local bookstore seeking a magazine about techno music, I found your magazine misplaced in the music section (as I write this it is Friday the 13th!) Much to my surprise, I realized that I have always loved military trucks and the unitread tires! I had looked around online and knew people had a passion for these things.
I grew up in North Dakota—all over the state, in fact. From Bismark and Dickinson to Fargo and Grand Forks. Often, when I took long trips through the countryside it was very common to find old military vehicles for sale or abandon by old farms and oil well sites (CCKWs, Jeeps, drilling rig trucks, GMC blazers and backhoes). North Dakota has a variety of air bases and small military installations along with hundreds of nuke silos! I have seen many ads for auctions in Minot and Grand Forks being held in air hangers.
As a youth of age 12, I happened to pass a local Corps of Engineers base in Dickinson, ND. This place was big and had at least 200 vehicles plus all kinds of goodies on trailers. I fell in love instantly with the deuces and the 5-ton trucks. As an added bonus, many trucks had full winches, extended front bumpers, arctic packages and a couple had an off-white paint scheme with olive drab bumpers, front and rear. The paint job looked Russian to me at the time, but it had a black star and numbers.
What sticks out in my memory is how these trucks seemed to have a wider wheelbase and were higher off the ground. Perhaps it was my age that provide me with these memories, but all my friends thought it odd of me to really love jumping around on the trucks when there were dump trucks, cranes, dozers, loaders, boats, forklifts, graders, bridge trucks and pontoon trucks. The base may have been closed recently, but, if not, you should be able to get great photos of many later model, unique military vehicles.
Thank you so much, Mr. Orosz, for the letter, and please accept my hearty welcome to the hobby! You will find that it is filled with great guys and great vehicles. Keep a watch on the calendar of events, I bet you will find a show close to you during the summer. Once you get a taste for OD, you will soon be filling the garage with vehicles and parts.
SOME UNUSUAL BIG TRUCKS
I’ve been enjoying your magazine for many years now, and have always found helpful, informative articles. Issue no. 120, April 2007, was particularly interesting for me. I have a large collection of vehicle on my place, and this issure touch on some of the more unusual. I have included pictures of three of the larger, more unusual MVs.
The first is an M246, a gas-powered, 5-ton 6×6. It was built on 9/15/54. It is much like the one on the cover of the April issue, but with the added bonus of a fith wheel behind the crane. This was an Air Force specialty truck designed to haul a low-boy trailer and pick up downed aircraft.
The next one is a gas-powered 2-1/2 ton 6×6, built in 1952. Its unusual features include super single rear axles and an extemely long wheel base.
Fnally, the last truck looks to be just another CCKW, but it is a pre-war CCKWX, built 12/16/40 with a serial number below 5,000. As far as I’ve heard, it is the lowest numbered truck still running.
The article and pictures by Wesley S. Trindal in the April issue (“The Influence of Heavy Trucks on an “Army Brat”) was great. The fire engine pictured on page 87 was actually built at Fort Holibird by the U.S. Quartermaster Corps. I stripped one just like it. It was built in 1940 on the standard military Liberty truck chassis.
Steve Turchet’s article on large MVs in the same issue was very accurate. Anyone thinking about buying one of these big toys should try to load an 11.00-20 tire into the back of a pickup before getting serious about purchasing one.
In that same article, Steve mentioned half-tracks. While they are heavy and everything on them is heavy, the vehicles themselves are very compact. My wife’s 1-ton van is bigger, but a lot cheaper to fix and run.
Very good issue! Hopefully you can use the additional info. Thanks and keep up the great job.
OXNARD DUMP TRAILER
I need a source for info on the 1/2-ton airborne dump trailer that was made by Oxnard Heavy Equipment & Mfg. Co. of Oxnard, CA. This trailer is just like the one made by Convert during WWII. The one I found was manufactured on February 25,1951, and bears the serial number 021. This trailer just came into my possession. Any help would be appreciated.
I am sorry, Mr. Pope, but I haven’t been able to turn up any information for you. I suspect that your trailer is a continuation of the Trailer, Dump, Towed Type, 1/2-ton 2W (which a lot of collectors like to call an “airborne dump trailer”), though I cannot confirm that. Perhaps our readers are familiar with your trailer. Can anyone provide Mr. Pope with some background on his trailer?
Enclosed are three pictures of my uncle, PFC Angus McLean, of Houghton Lake, Michigan. As a member of Co. M, 274 Infantry Regiment, 70th Infantry Division, he served as an acting sergeant of a 7-man 81mm mortar unit in southern Germany in late 1944. I thought readers might like to see the photos of PFC McLean with the “reassigned” Kübelwagen.
Allen Park, Michigan